{"id":7469,"date":"2020-05-30T16:47:57","date_gmt":"2020-05-30T14:47:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/?p=7469"},"modified":"2020-05-30T16:47:57","modified_gmt":"2020-05-30T14:47:57","slug":"zemmour-onfray-un-debat-de-haute-tenue-entre-deux-belles-intelligences","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2020\/05\/30\/zemmour-onfray-un-debat-de-haute-tenue-entre-deux-belles-intelligences\/","title":{"rendered":"Zemmour-Onfray : un d\u00e9bat de haute tenue entre deux belles intelligences"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"> Articles&nbsp;: <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2020\/05\/\" target=\"_blank\">mai 2020<\/a> &#8211; <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2020\/04\/\" target=\"_blank\">avril 2020<\/a> &#8211; <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2020\/03\/\" target=\"_blank\">mars 2020<\/a> &#8211; <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2020\/02\/\" target=\"_blank\">f\u00e9vrier 2020<\/a> <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"800\" height=\"200\" src=\"http:\/\/www.weboomedia.fr\/RutubeStreaming1.htm\" frameborder=\"N\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ripostelaique.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/ZemmourOnfray3.jpg\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.dailymotion.com\/embed\/video\/x7u76tv\" allowfullscreen=\"\" allow=\"autoplay\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Riposte La\u00efque<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Deux grandes figures de la pens\u00e9e intellectuelle s\u2019affrontent ce soir sur le plateau de CNews, dans l\u2019\u00e9mission&nbsp;<strong>\u00ab&nbsp;Face \u00e0 l\u2019info&nbsp;\u00bb<\/strong>, anim\u00e9e par Christine Kelly. Un duel au sommet&nbsp;<strong>&nbsp;Zemmour-Onfray<\/strong>&nbsp; portant sur l\u2019avenir de la gauche, sujet&nbsp; pour le moins passionnant vu le champ de ruines qu\u2019est devenue cette gauche fran\u00e7aise, nagu\u00e8re si arrogante.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Il faut s\u2019attendre \u00e0 un record d\u2019audience car le casting est du m\u00eame niveau que le face-\u00e0-face Zemmour-BHL, en octobre dernier.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Entre le journaliste-\u00e9crivain et le philosophe, j\u2019ai \u00e9videmment un faible pour Zemmour, car je trouve Onfray assez d\u00e9routant dans ses propos ou ses choix pass\u00e9s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Autant&nbsp; Zemmour est&nbsp; constant dans son discours patriote et bien c\u00e2bl\u00e9 dans sa vision du monde, autant&nbsp; Onfray louvoie et reste difficile \u00e0 cerner.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Quand&nbsp; Zemmour est r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement attaqu\u00e9 pour ses positions politiquement incorrectes, syst\u00e9matiquement caricatur\u00e9es en discours raciste et islamophobe, Onfray, quant \u00e0 lui, est critiqu\u00e9 pour ses incoh\u00e9rences et ses approximations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Tant\u00f4t accus\u00e9 d\u2019enfoncer des portes ouvertes, tant\u00f4t trait\u00e9 d\u2019imposteur ou d\u2019escroc intellectuel, Onfray&nbsp; est aussi peu clair dans sa pens\u00e9e que Zemmour est limpide.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Onfray se dit<strong>&nbsp;\u00ab&nbsp;ath\u00e9e chr\u00e9tien&nbsp;\u00bb<\/strong>, reconnaissant par l\u00e0 l\u2019h\u00e9ritage culturel jud\u00e9o-chr\u00e9tien de l\u2019Europe. Il se r\u00e9clame du \u00ab&nbsp;postanarchisme&nbsp;\u00bb, apr\u00e8s avoir soutenu Besancenot en 2002 et se dit favorable au capitalisme libertaire. Bref, beaucoup trop subtil pour moi !<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ses positions anti-RN sont d\u00e9cevantes, alors qu\u2019il nous dit que l\u2019islam est la religion qu\u2019il faut craindre et que le roman \u00ab&nbsp;Soumission&nbsp;\u00bb de Houellebecq&nbsp; pourrait bien devenir r\u00e9alit\u00e9 si l\u2019\u00e9cart d\u00e9mographique entre musulmans et natifs se poursuit\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Quant \u00e0 sa position sur les attentats de 2015, qui laisse entendre que la France a sem\u00e9 les germes du terrorisme en allant combattre l\u2019\u00c9tat&nbsp; islamique, elle laisse pantois.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mais qui suis-je pour juger un philosophe de renom ? Place au d\u00e9bat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>19 h, nos deux duellistes s\u2019installent.<br \/><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Interrog\u00e9 sur sa nouvelle revue&nbsp;<strong>\u00ab&nbsp;Front populaire&nbsp;\u00bb<\/strong>, Onfray explique qu\u2019il a choisi ce titre car l\u2019avanc\u00e9e sociale de 1936 s\u2019est faite sans couper des t\u00eates comme en 1789.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ce \u00e0 quoi Zemmour r\u00e9torque qu\u2019il est d\u2019accord sur ce point,&nbsp; mais que le Front populaire a d\u00e9sarm\u00e9 la France pendant qu\u2019Hitler r\u00e9armait l\u2019Allemagne. Le pacifisme a men\u00e9 au d\u00e9sastre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Christine Kelly vient sur le terrain du souverainisme, revenu en force avec la crise sanitaire et la p\u00e9nurie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pour Onfray, le souverainisme est un mot qu\u2019il faut r\u00e9habiliter \u00e0 gauche. Il vaut mieux \u00eatre souverain que valet, ma\u00eetre de son destin qu\u2019esclave. Le progressisme a sali les mots populisme et souverainisme.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Zemmour&nbsp; ajoute que la crise a montr\u00e9 que le camp du \u00ab&nbsp;non&nbsp;\u00bb \u00e0 Maastricht avait raison. Nous sommes d\u00e9munis de tout et devenus esclaves de la Chine, au point que celle-ci devient arrogante et nous a d\u00e9lest\u00e9s de tout notre tissu industriel. \u00ab&nbsp;Les Am\u00e9ricains ont tout invent\u00e9 mais ils n\u2019ont plus d\u2019usines&nbsp;\u00bb.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Onfray rappelle que nous sommes tributaires des Chinois pour les mat\u00e9riaux rares, y compris ceux qui servent \u00e0 notre outil de d\u00e9fense le plus vital.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Un long d\u00e9bat s\u2019ensuit sur les classes populaires, \u00ab&nbsp;drogu\u00e9es&nbsp;\u00bb aux prix faibles selon Zemmour, et qui consomment mal. Ce \u00e0 quoi Onfray r\u00e9pond qu\u2019elles n\u2019ont pas le choix.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pour Zemmour, c\u2019est \u00e0 cause de ce consum\u00e9risme bon march\u00e9 que la France a d\u00fb d\u00e9localiser toute son industrie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Onfray souligne que l\u2019objectif du lib\u00e9ralisme d\u00e9brid\u00e9 c\u2019est un gouvernement plan\u00e9taire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00c0 ce moment, Zemmour enfourche son cheval de bataille habituel : celui de la pr\u00e9f\u00e9rence nationale.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Le peuple \u00e9tant drogu\u00e9 aux allocations multiples, comment relocaliser tout en finan\u00e7ant un social d\u00e9mesur\u00e9 ? Impossible.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>La seule solution pour soulager nos entreprises \u00e9cras\u00e9es de charges est de r\u00e9server le social aux seuls Fran\u00e7ais.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pour Onfray, il convient de lutter contre les paradis fiscaux et de restaurer l\u2019ISF. D\u00e9saccord total entre Zemmour et Onfray sur cet imp\u00f4t inique, qui ne rapporte rien.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Zemmour veut lutter contre la fraude sociale de 40 milliards, les 2 millions de fausses cartes Vitale et les retraites pay\u00e9es aux centenaires \u00e9trangers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Onfray r\u00e9clame plus de justice sociale dans l\u2019int\u00e9r\u00eat national et demande o\u00f9 va l\u2019argent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">R\u00e9ponse de Zemmour : \u00c7a passe dans les allocations ! 42 % des allocations sont servies \u00e0 des \u00e9trangers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Onfray d\u00e9fend un social sous conditions de ressource alors que Zemmour d\u00e9fend l\u2019universalit\u00e9 des prestations sociales. D\u00e9saccord complet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pour Zemmour, la France est le pays o\u00f9 la redistribution des richesses est la plus marqu\u00e9e.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>En mati\u00e8re de social, il ne faut pas opposer les riches aux pauvres, mais les Fran\u00e7ais aux \u00e9trangers.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00c0 la question \u00ab&nbsp;la gauche peut-elle \u00eatre souverainiste&nbsp;\u00bb, Onfray r\u00e9pond que seule une vraie gauche de conviction le peut.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mais pour Zemmour, la gauche est devenue lib\u00e9rale et universelle. Elle a renonc\u00e9, comme Macron, \u00e0 la patrie, \u00e0 la nation, au souverainisme. Elle est devenue mondialiste.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Onfray veut r\u00e9unir, au-del\u00e0 des partis, les souverainistes de tous bords, de droite, de gauche, mais aussi tous ceux qui ne votent plus ou ne se reconnaissent plus dans aucun parti.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Vient la question de Christine Kelly :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>\u00ab&nbsp;Qu\u2019est-ce qui fait l\u2019essence de la France&nbsp;\u00bb<\/strong>&nbsp;?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Aussit\u00f4t Onfray s\u2019enflamme, citant sa litt\u00e9rature, sa libert\u00e9 d\u2019esprit, son intelligence, sa culture, ses traditions, sa langue, sa cuisine, son art de vivre, sa fa\u00e7on d\u2019\u00eatre, son patrimoine et j\u2019en oublie ! La France est ouverte \u00e0 tous ceux qui l\u2019aiment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Pour Zemmour, la r\u00e9ponse est plus sobre : la France, c\u2019est un peuple, un territoire, une civilisation aux racines chr\u00e9tiennes (de Gaulle).<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ce sont le catholicisme et l\u2019\u00c9tat qui font la grandeur de la France. La France sans \u00c9tat n\u2019est plus rien !<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Onfray d\u00e9fend un \u00c9tat&nbsp; girondin et d\u00e9nonce cette Europe lib\u00e9rale qui oublie les peuples.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pour Zemmour, il faut un \u00c9tat puissant comme le voulait de Gaulle avec le nucl\u00e9aire. L\u2019Europe ne fait que renforcer les r\u00e9gions pour mieux d\u00e9truire les nations (Espagne).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le d\u00e9bat se termine sur une invitation d\u2019Onfray \u00e0 Zemmour pour qu\u2019il \u00e9crive un article pour la revue Front populaire, dont le premier num\u00e9ro sera en kiosque et en ligne fin juin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Un d\u00e9bat de haute tenue, courtois et respectueux, entre deux grosses pointures qui s\u2019estiment et s\u2019appr\u00e9cient mutuellement. Deux belles figures intellectuelles \u00e9minemment cultiv\u00e9es, qui ma\u00eetrisent parfaitement&nbsp; le sujet et sont souvent d\u2019accord.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bref, un r\u00e9gal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!-- ADDFREESTATS.COM AUTOCODE V4.0 -->\n<script type=\"text\/javascript\">\n<!--\nvar AFS_Account=\"00636949\";\nvar AFS_Tracker=\"auto\";\nvar AFS_Server=\"www6\";\nvar AFS_Page=\"DetectName\";\nvar AFS_Url=\"DetectUrl\";\n\/\/ -->\n<\/script>\n<script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"http:\/\/www6.addfreestats.com\/cgi-bin\/afstrack.cgi?usr=00636949\">\n<\/script>\n<noscript>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.addfreestats.com\">\n<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www6.addfreestats.com\/cgi-bin\/connect.cgi?usr=00636949Pauto\" border=\"0\" alt=\"AddFreeStats.com Free Web Stats!\">Web Stats<\/a>\n<\/noscript>\n\n<!-- ENDADDFREESTATS.COM AUTOCODE V4.0  \u2192\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Articles&nbsp;: mai 2020 &#8211; avril 2020 &#8211; mars 2020 &#8211; f\u00e9vrier 2020 Riposte La\u00efque Deux grandes figures de la pens\u00e9e intellectuelle s\u2019affrontent ce soir sur le plateau de CNews, dans l\u2019\u00e9mission&nbsp;\u00ab&nbsp;Face \u00e0 l\u2019info&nbsp;\u00bb, anim\u00e9e par Christine Kelly. 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