{"id":29949,"date":"2025-10-23T08:14:22","date_gmt":"2025-10-23T08:14:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/?p=29949"},"modified":"2025-10-23T15:39:49","modified_gmt":"2025-10-23T15:39:49","slug":"et-si-on-parlait-de-la-dette-francaise-dans-le-futur-charles-gave","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2025\/10\/23\/et-si-on-parlait-de-la-dette-francaise-dans-le-futur-charles-gave\/","title":{"rendered":". Et si on parlait de La dette fran\u00e7aise dans le futur ? (Charles Gave)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Articles : <a href=\"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2025\/10\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Oct. 2025<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2025\/09\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Sept 2025<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2025\/08\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Aout 2025<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2025\/07\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Juil. 2025<\/a> &#8211;<br>Facebook&nbsp;:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100069673161887\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100069673161887<\/a> Twitter : <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/OrtfNews\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/OrtfNews<\/a> Music 24\/24 : <a href=\"http:\/\/DJMUSIC.fr\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">http:\/\/DJMUSIC.fr<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/institutdeslibertes.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Charles-8-trappe-a-dettes-France.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>#webtube<\/strong> : <em>Compte tenu de l\u2019\u00e9volution politique en France, une crise sur la dette fran\u00e7aise est maintenant une\u00a0<strong><u>certitude<\/u><\/strong>, et, cette crise pourrait se d\u00e9clencher \u00e0 tout moment, Attachez vos ceintures.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Soit un pays qui a<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Un PIB de 100.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Une dette de 120 % du PIB, d\u00e9tenue \u00e0 50 % par les nationaux et \u00e0 50 % par des \u00e9trangers.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Un service de la dette (taux d\u2019int\u00e9r\u00eats) \u00e0 2.5 % par an et qui va monter au-dessus de 3 % quand la dette \u00e9mise\u00a0 \u00e0\u00a0 0 % sera pr\u00e9sent\u00e9e au remboursement.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Une croissance nominale du PIB de 1.5 % par an, qui baisse structurellement.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Une dette qui va sans doute monter de pr\u00e8s de 10 % cette ann\u00e9e (330 milliards de nouveaux emprunts.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>En l\u2019ann\u00e9e T0 (aujourd\u2019hui), le PIB en valeur nominale d\u00e9gage 1. 5% de plus que dans l\u2019ann\u00e9e T-1(2024)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ces chiffres correspondent \u00e0 ceux de notre cher pays.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Comment vont se partager les 1. 5 % de croissance&nbsp;?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Il y a des priorit\u00e9s dans les d\u00e9penses d\u2019un Etat et la premi\u00e8re des d\u00e9penses \u00e0 \u00eatre servie est&nbsp;<strong><u>toujours<\/u><\/strong>&nbsp;le service de la dette.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le service de la dette est donc le seul co\u00fbt de l\u2019\u00e9tat qui ne peut \u00eatre discut\u00e9 ou r\u00e9duit et ce co\u00fbt sera de (2.5 % *120) =3 % du PIB.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La moiti\u00e9 de cette d\u00e9pense va aux \u00e9pargnants fran\u00e7ais soit 1.5% du PIB tandis que l\u2019autre moitie va aux \u00e9pargnants \u00e9trangers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Et c\u2019est l\u00e0 que la situation devient int\u00e9ressante. Il n\u2019y a pas assez de valeur cr\u00e9\u00e9e pour servir les emprunteurs fran\u00e7ais. A partir de maintenant, la totalit\u00e9 de la nouvelle richesse cr\u00e9\u00e9e, soit 1.5 % du PIB va aller aux \u00e9pargnants&nbsp;<strong><u>\u00e9trangers<\/u><\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Les pr\u00e9teurs fran\u00e7ais, soumis \u00e0 la loi fran\u00e7aise, vont donc \u00eatre spoli\u00e9s car les pr\u00e9teurs \u00e9trangers doivent toujours \u00eatre servies&nbsp;<strong><u>en premier<\/u><\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Et donc, \u00e0 partir de maintenant, je&nbsp;<strong><u>sais&nbsp;<\/u><\/strong>que le niveau de vie des pr\u00e9teurs fran\u00e7ais va lui aussi baisser et rejoindre la baisse g\u00e9n\u00e9ralis\u00e9e de notre niveau de vie qui a commenc\u00e9 avec monsieur Macron. Le recours \u00e0 la Loi Sapin 2 nous guette, \u00e0 moins que nous n\u2019ayons droit \u00e0 un emprunt forc\u00e9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le probl\u00e8me bien s\u00fbr est que les paiements aux \u00e9trangers rajoutent aux d\u00e9ficits des comptes courants (balance commerciale) et&nbsp;<strong><u>je sais donc aussi<\/u><\/strong>&nbsp;que les d\u00e9ficits ext\u00e9rieurs vont se creuser en due proportion des paiements que nous allons devoir faire de plus en plus aux \u00e9trangers en y consacrant la totalit\u00e9 de la maigre croissance que nous g\u00eanerons encore.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Et donc nous allons devoir taxer les retrait\u00e9s pour pouvoir servir leur livre de chair aux \u00e9trangers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ce que je dis est malheureusement&nbsp;<strong><u>certain<\/u><\/strong>&nbsp;: &nbsp;\u00e0 partir de maintenant, la population fran\u00e7aise dans son ensemble va s\u2019appauvrir ann\u00e9e apr\u00e8s ann\u00e9e. En T+2, le fran\u00e7ais de base, retrait\u00e9 compris, sera plus pauvre qu\u2019en T+1, en T+3 plus pauvre qu\u2019en T+2 et ainsi de suite.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ce que je d\u00e9cris sommairement est ce que Keynes a appel\u00e9 une trappe \u00e0 dette&nbsp;: si un pays a une dette importante (de la taille de son PIB), si cette dette est largement d\u00e9tenue par des \u00e9trangers, et si les taux d\u2019int\u00e9r\u00eats sont sup\u00e9rieurs au taux de croissance du pays, il ne faut pas avoir fait polytechnique pour comprendre que lorsque les \u00e9trangers d\u00e9cideront de ne plus pr\u00eater, le niveau de vie dans le pays s\u2019\u00e9croulera brutalement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Et qu\u2019en attendant le niveau de vie de la population du pays baissera.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Cela fait des ann\u00e9es qu\u2019en France notre niveau de vie (NDV) est \u00e9gal \u00e0 l\u2019argent gagn\u00e9 (AG) auquel il faut rajouter l\u2019argent emprunt\u00e9 (AE)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">NDV= AG+AE.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dans le futur AE va disparaitre et notre niveau de vie tombera \u00e0 l\u2019argent gagn\u00e9 duquel il faudra soustraire l\u2019argent \u00e0 rembourser AR.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Et notre niveau de vie sera<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">NDV=AG-AR<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Et donc, notre niveau de vie va baisser d\u2019au moins 25 %, et plus nous attendrons pour nous attaquer au vrai probl\u00e8me, les d\u00e9penses de l\u2019Etat, plus la chute de notre niveau de vie sera importante.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Et ce parcours est celui qu\u2019ont suivi l\u2019Argentine d\u2019avant Milei, le Venezuela, Cuba, la Su\u00e8de avant 1992, la Grande-Bretagne avant Thatcher, la France de Louis XVI, la Rome de Diocl\u00e9tien\u2026en commen\u00e7ant sans doute par Adam et Eve au paradis \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Cela est CERTAIN.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Je n\u2019ai plus qu\u2019une seule question \u00e0 traiter&nbsp;: quand tout cela va-t-il se passer&nbsp;?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Et ma reponse est toujours la m\u00eame&nbsp;: je n\u2019en ai pas la moindre id\u00e9e.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mais je sais ce qu\u2019il faut regarder trois prix pour savoir si le d\u00e9nouement approche.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Le premier est le ratio entre deux r\u00e9serves de valeur, les obligations \u00e9mises par l\u2019Etat fran\u00e7ais et l\u2019or.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Le deuxi\u00e8me est l\u2019\u00e9cart de prix qui se creuse entre deux autres r\u00e9serves de valeur, le fameux \u00e9cart des taux entre les obligations fran\u00e7aises et leurs concurrentes de meilleure qualit\u00e9 en Europe. J\u2019ai choisi les Pays Bas. Pourquoi les Pays Bas\u00a0? Parce que le spread entre la France et l\u2019Allemagne est massivement manipul\u00e9 par la banque de France\u2026<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Et le troisi\u00e8me, le cours des banques en Europe qui ont en \u00ab\u00a0r\u00e9serves\u00a0\u00bb des obligations fran\u00e7aises.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">V\u00e9rifions le premier.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/institutdeslibertes.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/obligations-francaises-CONTRE-OR.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Depuis le d\u00e9but de l\u2019euro, l\u2019or a fait beaucoup mieux que les obligations fran\u00e7aises (obligations en baisse de&nbsp;<strong><u>90 %<\/u><\/strong>&nbsp;par rapport \u00e0 l\u2019or depuis 2000) et cette surperformance s\u2019est accentu\u00e9e depuis le d\u00e9but du Covid. Je consid\u00e8re que le ratio en dessous de 50 depuis la fin mai 2025 est un mauvais signe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Passons au deuxi\u00e8me, la&nbsp;diff\u00e9rence des taux sur les obligations \u00e0 10 ans entre la France et les Pays Bas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/institutdeslibertes.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/spread-france-pays-bas.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nous sommes indubitablement en zone dangereuse, et, contrairement \u00e0 ce que la presse nous affirme, les \u00e9checs politiques fran\u00e7ais ont amen\u00e9 cet \u00e9cart a un plus haut depuis la crise de l\u2019euro.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Passons au dernier graphique qui repr\u00e9sente l\u2019indice des banques dans la zone Euro.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/institutdeslibertes.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/indice-des-valeurs-banxaires-en-europe.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le message est moins alarmant que pour les deux premiers graphiques, mais le jour o\u00f9 les obligations fran\u00e7aises seront vraiment attaqu\u00e9es, il est&nbsp;<strong><u>certain<\/u><\/strong>&nbsp;que l\u2019indice des banques de la zone euro plongera.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Il faut donc surveiller cet indice comme du&nbsp;lait sur le feu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Il est d\u00e9j\u00e0 5 % plus bas qu\u2019\u00e0 la fin aout\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Conclusion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Compte tenu de l\u2019\u00e9volution politique en France, une crise sur la dette fran\u00e7aise est maintenant une&nbsp;<strong><u>certitude<\/u><\/strong>, et, cette crise pourrait se d\u00e9clencher \u00e0 tout moment,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Attachez vos ceintures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Source<\/strong> : <em>IDL, Charles Gave<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Articles : Oct. 2025 &#8211; Sept 2025 &#8211; Aout 2025 &#8211; Juil. 2025 &#8211;Facebook&nbsp;:&nbsp;https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100069673161887 Twitter : https:\/\/twitter.com\/OrtfNews Music 24\/24 : http:\/\/DJMUSIC.fr #webtube : Compte tenu de l\u2019\u00e9volution politique en France, une crise sur la dette fran\u00e7aise est maintenant une\u00a0certitude, et, cette crise pourrait se d\u00e9clencher \u00e0 tout moment, Attachez vos ceintures. 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