{"id":28062,"date":"2025-03-20T08:04:08","date_gmt":"2025-03-20T06:04:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/13.36.34.64\/?p=28062"},"modified":"2025-03-20T08:04:08","modified_gmt":"2025-03-20T06:04:08","slug":"guerre-ou-paix-en-ukraine-macron-hors-jeu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2025\/03\/20\/guerre-ou-paix-en-ukraine-macron-hors-jeu\/","title":{"rendered":". Guerre ou paix en Ukraine : Macron hors jeu"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"800\" height=\"200\" src=\"http:\/\/rutubes.free.fr\/RutubeEmule-island.html\" frameborder=\"N\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br>Articles \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0: <a href=\"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/2025\/03\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Mar 2025<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/2025\/02\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Fev 2025<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/2025\/01\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Jan 2025<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/2024\/12\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Dec 2024<\/a> &#8211; Facebook\u00a0:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100069673161887\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100069673161887<\/a> Twitter : <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/OrtfNews\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/OrtfNews<\/a> Music 24\/24 : <a href=\"http:\/\/DJMUSIC.fr\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">http:\/\/DJMUSIC.fr<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.bvoltaire.fr\/file\/Bvoltaire\/2025\/03\/IL20250308121911-macron-1-929x522.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>\u00b0\u00b0 WEBTUBE<\/strong> : <em>Finalement, on ne sait pas grand-chose, de ce que se sont dit Trump et Poutine, mardi apr\u00e8s-midi, sauf que la tr\u00eave n\u2019est pas pour tout de suite. Le pr\u00e9sident am\u00e9ricain a qualifi\u00e9 ces discussions de \u00ab\u00a0difficiles\u00a0\u00bb. On l\u2019a connu plus loquace. Elles sont difficiles parce que, comme on dit aux \u00e9checs, le pr\u00e9sident russe a les blancs et que, sur le terrain, il dispose de toutes ses pi\u00e8ces ma\u00eetresses pour avancer sur l\u2019\u00e9chiquier diplomatique : r\u00e9gion de Koursk en passe d&rsquo;\u00eatre reconquise, occupation de la centrale nucl\u00e9aire de Zaporijjia, etc. Parce qu\u2019il a pour lui le rapport de force militaire et qu\u2019il ne joue pas dans la m\u00eame \u00ab temporalit\u00e9 \u00bb que Trump : ce dernier est press\u00e9, pas le ma\u00eetre du Kremlin. Mais les discussions vont se poursuivre dimanche, en Arabie saoudite. C\u2019est un souhait de Trump : que ces n\u00e9gociations se tiennent hors de l\u2019Europe afin de ne pas \u00eatre \u00ab\u00a0sous l\u2019influence et les exigences des membres de l\u2019Union europ\u00e9enne\u00a0\u00bb. Le sort de l\u2019Europe va se discuter hors d\u2019Europe, qui plus est en Arabie saoudite, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire dans un pays qui, dans l\u2019ancien monde, \u00e9tait un simple enjeu strat\u00e9gique &#8211; p\u00e9trole oblige.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Quel symbole, quelle humiliation aussi !<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00c0 l&rsquo;issue de la Premi\u00e8re Guerre mondiale, le sort de l\u2019Europe fut r\u00e9gl\u00e9, dans la foul\u00e9e du trait\u00e9 de Versailles, par toute une s\u00e9rie de trait\u00e9s secondaires, sign\u00e9s pour la plupart d\u2019entre eux en France : \u00e0 Saint-Germain-en-Laye, Neuilly, Trianon, S\u00e8vres ou Paris. En 1973, les accords d\u2019armistice entre les \u00c9tats-Unis d\u2019Am\u00e9rique et la R\u00e9publique d\u00e9mocratique du Vietnam furent sign\u00e9s dans la capitale fran\u00e7aise. En 1995, les accords de Dayton, qui mettaient fin aux combats en Bosnie-Herz\u00e9govine, \u00e9taient formellement sign\u00e9s \u00e0 Paris. En 1999, le ch\u00e2teau de Rambouillet, \u00e0 l\u2019initiative de Jacques Chirac, accueillait la conf\u00e9rence pour tenter de trouver un accord entre Serbes et ind\u00e9pendantistes kosovars &#8211; n\u00e9gociations qui \u00e9chou\u00e8rent. Et, aujourd&rsquo;hui, l\u2019Arabie saoudite. Quel symbole, quelle humiliation aussi ! L\u2019Europe, et notamment la France, en pointe du soutien \u00e0 l\u2019Ukraine, sont donc hors jeu.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.bvoltaire.fr\/file\/Bvoltaire\/2023\/04\/BV-Vecteur.svg\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00c0 ce sujet \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bvoltaire.fr\/point-de-vue-macron-a-luxeuil-du-grand-spectacle\/\">[POINT DE VUE] Macron chez les aviateurs : du grand spectacle !<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\u00c0 contretemps<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Et l\u2019on a le cruel sentiment que plus Macron s\u2019agite, parle, parade \u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bvoltaire.fr\/point-de-vue-macron-a-luxeuil-du-grand-spectacle\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">son show sur la base de Luxeuil<\/a>, ce mardi 18 mars, avant de filer \u00e0 Berlin pour rencontrer les chanceliers sortant et entrant, est presque caricatural -, plus notre sort semble nous \u00e9chapper. Et l\u2019on se demande si, depuis le d\u00e9but de cette guerre, la France et l\u2019Union europ\u00e9enne n\u2019ont pas \u00e9t\u00e9 en permanence \u00e0 contretemps de l\u2019Histoire. Dernier contretemps : les annonces confuses concernant&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bvoltaire.fr\/effort-de-guerre-impots-en-vue\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">le \u00ab&nbsp;<em>r\u00e9armement<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb de l\u2019Union europ\u00e9enne<\/a>. Confuses car il y a, \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9vidence, confusion entre le court et le moyen terme. Le moyen terme : c\u2019est \u00e9vident, avec le d\u00e9sengagement am\u00e9ricain de l\u2019Europe et la menace russe, l\u2019effort de d\u00e9fense des pays europ\u00e9ens doit \u00eatre significativement augment\u00e9. C\u2019est l\u2019affaire de cinq, dix ans, pas moins. Le court terme : c\u2019est le r\u00e8glement du conflit russo-ukrainien qui compte sans doute d\u00e9j\u00e0 des centaines de milliers de morts de part et d\u2019autre. Mais les propos des dirigeants europ\u00e9ens comme von der Leyen, sur ce plan de r\u00e9armement, entretiennent une confusion d\u00e9l\u00e9t\u00e8re dans les opinions publiques sur sa capacit\u00e9 \u00e0 mettre fin au conflit. Un r\u00e9armement qui devrait, en toute logique, s\u2019accompagner d\u2019un r\u00e9armement moral que la&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bvoltaire.fr\/les-francais-recevront-cet-ete-un-manuel-de-survie-tremblez-braves-gens\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">distribution de kits de survie \u00e0 la population<\/a>&nbsp;ne suffira pas \u00e0 amorcer. B\u00e2tir une nation en armes ne rel\u00e8ve pas de la m\u00eame \u00ab temporalit\u00e9 \u00bb que celle, chez un banquier, pour op\u00e9rer une fusion-acquisition. De la d\u00e9claration de L\u00e9on Gambetta, le 26 juin 1871 (\u00ab&nbsp;<em>Que, pour tout le monde, il soit entendu que, quand en France un citoyen est n\u00e9, il est n\u00e9 soldat<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb), \u00e0 l&rsquo;ordre de mobilisation g\u00e9n\u00e9rale du 1<sup>er<\/sup>&nbsp;ao\u00fbt 1914 : quarante-trois ans, deux g\u00e9n\u00e9rations&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Retour vers le r\u00e9el pour Macron ?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00c0 contretemps, disions-nous. Ou \u00e0 la remorque. On voit, en effet, que le discours de Macron \u00e9volue quelque peu, au fil du temps. 17 f\u00e9vrier 2023, un an apr\u00e8s le d\u00e9but de l\u2019invasion russe&nbsp;: \u00ab&nbsp;<em>La Russie ne peut ni ne doit gagner cette guerre.<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb 7 mars 2024 :&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bvoltaire.fr\/soutien-a-lukraine-sans-limites-vraiment\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">un soutien \u00e0 l&rsquo;Ukraine<\/a>&nbsp;\u00ab&nbsp;<em>sans limites<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb. 14 mars 2024 : \u00ab&nbsp;<em>Il n\u2019y aura pas de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 pour les Fran\u00e7ais sans paix en Ukraine. Or, la paix en Ukraine, ce n\u2019est ni la capitulation ni l\u2019amputation de l\u2019Ukraine.<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb 16 mars 2024 : \u00ab&nbsp;<em>Nous ferons tout ce qu&rsquo;il faut pour que la Russie ne puisse pas gagner cette guerre.<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb&nbsp;Tout, c&rsquo;est-\u00e0-dire ? 1<sup>er<\/sup>&nbsp;mars 2025&nbsp;: \u00ab&nbsp;<em>Il ne peut y avoir de paix juste et durable avec un abandon de l&rsquo;Ukraine.<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb&nbsp;17 mars 2025&nbsp;: \u00ab&nbsp;<em>Les armes doivent se taire.<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb Et ce 18 mars, \u00e0 Berlin : \u00ab&nbsp;<em>Les premi\u00e8res \u00e9tapes se mettent en place, mais l\u2019objectif doit rester le m\u00eame. Avoir un cessez-le-feu mesurable et v\u00e9rifiable, pleinement respect\u00e9, lancer des discussions de paix d\u00e9taill\u00e9es et compl\u00e8tes qui permettront d\u2019avoir une paix solide et durable.<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb&nbsp;En deux semaines, on est pass\u00e9 d\u2019une \u00ab&nbsp;<em>paix juste et durable<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb \u00e0 une \u00ab&nbsp;<em>paix solide et durable<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb. Nuance, car ce qui est juste n\u2019est pas n\u00e9cessairement solide, et inversement. Si Trump r\u00e9ussit son coup &#8211; rien n&rsquo;est moins s\u00fbr -, cette paix, au plan du droit international, tel qu&rsquo;il pr\u00e9valait jusque-l\u00e0, sera forc\u00e9ment injuste. Le prix \u00e0 payer pour que s&rsquo;arr\u00eate le bain de sang. Alors, retour vers le r\u00e9el, pour Macron ? L\u00e0 aussi, rien n&rsquo;est moins s\u00fbr\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bvoltaire.fr\/auteur\/georgesmichel\/\">Georges Michel<\/a>, dans BV<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"800\" height=\"200\" src=\"http:\/\/rutubes.free.fr\/RutubeEmule-island.html\" frameborder=\"N\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/figure>\n\n<!-- AFS Analytics V7- Web Analytics 7.0 -->\n<script type='text\/javascript'>\n(function(i,s,o,g,r,a,m){i['AfsAnalyticsObject']=r;i[r]=i[r]||function(){(i[r].q=i[r].q||[]).push(arguments)},i[r].l=1*new Date();a=s.createElement(o),m=s.getElementsByTagName(o)[0];a.async=1;a.src=g;m.parentNode.insertBefore(a,m)})(window,document,'script','\/\/code.afsanalytics.com\/js2\/analytics.js','aa');\naa('create', '00636949','auto');\naa('set', 'autotrack', 'on');\naa('set', 'autotrack.iframe', 'dataset');\naa('send', 'pageview');\n<\/script>\n<!-- End AFS Analytics \u2192\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Articles \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0: Mar 2025 &#8211; Fev 2025 &#8211; Jan 2025 &#8211; Dec 2024 &#8211; Facebook\u00a0:\u00a0https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100069673161887 Twitter : https:\/\/twitter.com\/OrtfNews Music 24\/24 : http:\/\/DJMUSIC.fr \u00b0\u00b0 WEBTUBE : Finalement, on ne sait pas grand-chose, de ce que se sont dit Trump et Poutine, mardi apr\u00e8s-midi, sauf que la tr\u00eave n\u2019est pas pour tout de suite. 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