{"id":21919,"date":"2023-04-18T04:55:08","date_gmt":"2023-04-18T02:55:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/?p=21919"},"modified":"2023-04-18T04:55:08","modified_gmt":"2023-04-18T02:55:08","slug":"quand-eric-zemmour-tente-de-convaincre-michel-onfray-que-lislamisation-est-un-plus-grave-probleme-que-cxhatgpt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2023\/04\/18\/quand-eric-zemmour-tente-de-convaincre-michel-onfray-que-lislamisation-est-un-plus-grave-probleme-que-cxhatgpt\/","title":{"rendered":"Quand Eric Zemmour tente de convaincre Michel Onfray que l&rsquo;islamisation est un plus grave probl\u00e8me que CXhatGPT"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"800\" height=\"200\" src=\"http:\/\/rutubes.free.fr\/RutubeEmule-island.html\" frameborder=\"N\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Articles &nbsp;: <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2023\/04\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Avr. 2023<\/a>&nbsp; &#8211; &nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2023\/03\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Mar. 2023<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2023\/02\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Fev. 2023<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2023\/01\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Jan. 2023<\/a> &#8211; Facebook&nbsp;:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100069673161887\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100069673161887<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter : <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/OrtfNews\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/OrtfNews<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.fdesouche.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Capture-3.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-retrouvailles\">Retrouvailles<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Que le soleil ne se couche pas sur votre col\u00e8re, conseille saint Paul dans sa Lettre aux \u00c9ph\u00e9siens. Eric Zemmour et Michel Onfray ont beaucoup dialogu\u00e9 ces derni\u00e8res ann\u00e9es. Ils se sont trouv\u00e9 des id\u00e9es communes, des regards communs, des points de divergence, aussi. Et puis la pr\u00e9sidentielle est pass\u00e9e par l\u00e0. Des choses ont \u00e9t\u00e9 dites, des livres ont \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e9crits ou pr\u00e9fac\u00e9s. Leur amiti\u00e9, qui a toujours ferm\u00e9 les yeux sur quelques chamailleries, risquait cette fois de se trouver s\u00e9rieusement alt\u00e9r\u00e9e. On parlait de m\u00e9pris, d\u2019avilissement \u00bb. Il fallait donc \u00e9couter le conseil paulinien et reprendre le fil de la conversation. Ce fut chose faite, dans les locaux de Valeurs actuelles. L\u2019\u00e9change a dur\u00e9 plus de deux heures. Il fut viril, tonique, toujours courtois. Nous avons choisi de laisser les deux anciens comp\u00e8res parler le plus longuement, le plus librement possible. Les pages qui suivent nous apprennent beaucoup de choses sur l\u2019un, sur l\u2019autre et. bien s\u00fbr, sur le sujet essentiel: la France et les Fran\u00e7ais.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>M. O. : (\u2026) A quoi j\u2019ajoute que le probl\u00e8me, c\u2019est l\u2019universalisation.&nbsp;<strong>Je ne suis pas universaliste. Je pense que tous nos probl\u00e8mes viennent de l\u00e0.&nbsp;<\/strong>Cette id\u00e9e que la France dise: \u00ab On a pens\u00e9 pour la plan\u00e8te enti\u00e8re, tout ce qu\u2019on a d\u00e9cid\u00e9 ici doit marcher jusqu\u2019au fin fond de l\u2019Amazonie. On dit \u00e7a au XVIII si\u00e8cle, il y a des textes terribles au nom de l\u2019universalisme; sur les singes, sur les Noirs, sur les hommes. Des passages terribles chez Condorcet, chez l\u2019abb\u00e9 Sieves, chez tous ces philosophes des Lumi\u00e8res. Je dis simplement que notre universalisme a fait que nous sommes aujourd\u2019hui dans une logique de culpabilit\u00e9. Nous avons voulu imposer au monde entier notre civilisation et notre culture, \u00e7a nous revient aujourd\u2019hui dans le visage.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Arr\u00eatons avec l\u2019universalisme! C\u2019est au nom de l\u2019universalisme \u2013 et au nom d\u2019un certain christianisme d\u00e9voy\u00e9 qu\u2019il nous a fallu aimer nos ennemis. Pourquoi se met-on \u00e0 v\u00e9n\u00e9rer les Allemands qui nous occupent ? Pourquoi est-ce que les m\u00eames qui ont collabor\u00e9 avec les nazis ont ensuite collabor\u00e9 avec le stalinisme ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>E. Z. Je me suis battu tout seul, en tout cas sans vous. Je me suis battu pour notre civilisation. Maintenant vous me dites que notre probl\u00e8me c\u2019est l\u2019universalisme. Vous avez tout \u00e0 fait raison! Taine l\u2019explique tr\u00e8s bien: notre probl\u00e8me c\u2019est le christianisme d\u00e9voy\u00e9. Nous avons la pr\u00e9tention de croire que notre civilisation peut se r\u00e9pandre partout et peut \u00eatre accept\u00e9e par tous. C\u2019est faux et nous tombons l\u00e0 sur un os qui s\u2019appelle l\u2019islam. Parce que l\u2019islam est une civilisation puissante, assimilationniste, guerri\u00e8re, belliqueuse vous le dites vous-m\u00eame qui ne veut pas se laisser assimiler. C\u2019est bien de dire que c\u2019est de notre faute, de battre notre coulpe. Mais c\u2019est toujours notre coulpe que l\u2019on bat!&nbsp;<strong>Et on ne voit pas que, en face, il y a des gens qui ont leur fa\u00e7on de penser, leur volont\u00e9 de conqu\u00eate, leur h\u00e9ritage culturel, et qui veulent le propager, le d\u00e9fendre, qui font des enfants pour \u00e7a, qui les \u00e9duquent dans l\u2019islam, etc.&nbsp;<\/strong>Ce n\u2019est pas suffisant de dire qu\u2019on est faible. Chaque fois vous trouvez des chemins d\u00e9tourn\u00e9s pour ne pas affronter la question qui f\u00e2che qui est l\u2019islamisation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>M. O. : Si \u00e0 chaque fois que je fais une phrase vous la commentez, \u00e7a va \u00eatre difficile. J\u2019ai \u00e9crit le Trait\u00e9 d\u2019ath\u00e9ologie, on me dit aujourd\u2019hui que j\u2019ai bien chang\u00e9. Non. Je pense exactement la m\u00eame chose. Dans quelques jours, en librairie, va sortir un livre qui s\u2019appelle Anima, o\u00f9 je dis exactement la m\u00eame chose. Est-ce qu\u2019on a le droit d\u2019\u00eatre ath\u00e9e dans cette civilisation? J\u2019appartiens \u00e0 une civilisation jud\u00e9o-chr\u00e9tienne mais je ne suis pas chr\u00e9tien! Je suis format\u00e9 par un christianisme, la chr\u00e9tient\u00e9 en l\u2019occurrence, je r\u00e9agis comme d\u2019autres ont r\u00e9agi en cr\u00e9ant le f\u00e9minisme, en cr\u00e9ant la la\u00efcit\u00e9, en cr\u00e9ant la justice, en allant au-del\u00e0 de la charit\u00e9.&nbsp;<strong>Je pense qu\u2019il faut arr\u00eater de croire que parce qu\u2019on est dans un univers jud\u00e9o-chr\u00e9tien il faudrait, pour d\u00e9fendre la chr\u00e9tient\u00e9, aller \u00e0 la messe le dimanche. Je peux toujours attaquer le christianisme et d\u00e9fendre la chr\u00e9tient\u00e9!<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>M. O. :&nbsp;<strong>Je pense que la civilisation est plus en danger avec le transhumanisme qu\u2019avec l\u2019islamisation. Je pense que l\u2019Europe, c\u2019est fini. C\u2019est \u00e7a la diff\u00e9rence entre nous. Moi je pense que la France c\u2019est fini, c\u2019est ainsi, voil\u00e0. On ne restaure pas un paradis perdu.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>E. Z. : \u00c9videmment si on se dit tous comme vous\u2026 On m\u2019a tellement reproch\u00e9 mon pessimisme que \u00e7a m\u2019amuse de vous voir me traiter d\u2019optimiste! Pourquoi pas, apr\u00e8s tout ? Moi aussi je pouvais rester \u00e0 CNews, j\u2019\u00e9tais tranquille, je gagnais bien ma vie, j\u2019\u00e9tais moins insult\u00e9, un peu moins, disons.<strong>&nbsp;Mais \u00e0 un moment je me suis dit que je ne pouvais pas laisser \u00e7a \u00e0 mes enfants. Je ne peux pas accepter que ma fille soit un jour voil\u00e9e, donc j\u2019ai d\u00e9cid\u00e9 d\u2019aller me battre. C\u2019est tout.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>M.O. : Je ne pense pas qu\u2019il y ait \u00e0 craindre que votre fille soit voil\u00e9e. En revanche je pense que votre fille aura \u00e0 g\u00e9rer des probl\u00e8mes avec ChatGPT et son monde.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>E. Z. :&nbsp;<strong>Je ne crois pas. 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