{"id":19612,"date":"2022-07-27T15:37:14","date_gmt":"2022-07-27T13:37:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/?p=19612"},"modified":"2022-07-27T15:37:14","modified_gmt":"2022-07-27T13:37:14","slug":"verification-du-figaro-difficile-de-nier-cette-surdelinquance-chez-les-etrangers-et-les-francais-issus-de-limmigration","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2022\/07\/27\/verification-du-figaro-difficile-de-nier-cette-surdelinquance-chez-les-etrangers-et-les-francais-issus-de-limmigration\/","title":{"rendered":"V\u00e9rification du Figaro : \u00ab Difficile de nier cette \u201csurd\u00e9linquance\u201d chez les \u00e9trangers et les Fran\u00e7ais issus de l\u2019immigration \u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"800\" height=\"200\" src=\"http:\/\/www.weboomedia.fr\/RutubeStreaming1.htm\" frameborder=\"N\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Articles \u00a0: <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2022\/07\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Juil. 2022<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2022\/06\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Juin. 2022 \u2013<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2022\/05\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Mai 2022<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2022\/04\/\">Avr. 2022<\/a>\u00a0\u2013<\/p>\n<p> <\/p>\n<p>Facebook\u00a0:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ORTF-News-107572991571884\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ORTF-News-107572991571884<\/a><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.fdesouche.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/delinquance-juvenile_bbbb681dca.jpg\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Tous les indicateurs connus tendent en tout cas \u00e0 montrer une surrepr\u00e9sentation des \u00e9trangers parmi les d\u00e9linquants. Il y a en effet 7,7 % d\u2019\u00e9trangers dans la population fran\u00e7aise ( en 2021, selon l\u2019INSEE), mais les \u00e9trangers sont beaucoup plus nombreux :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>parmi les personnes \u00abmises en cause\u00bb pour des atteintes aux biens ou aux personnes par la police et la gendarmerie : autour de 20 % (&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ihemi.fr\/sites\/default\/files\/publications\/files\/2019-12\/ga_29_0.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">selon les chiffres, en 2012, de l\u2019Observatoire national de la d\u00e9linquance et des r\u00e9ponses p\u00e9nales du minist\u00e8re de l\u2019Int\u00e9rieur<\/a>) ;<\/li><li>parmi les personnes \u00e9crou\u00e9es : au moins 18 %, parfois plus selon les ann\u00e9es, selon&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.justice.gouv.fr\/prison-et-reinsertion-10036\/les-chiffres-clefs-10041\/statistiques-de-la-population-detenue-et-ecrouee-33736.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">le minist\u00e8re de la Justice<\/a>&nbsp;;<\/li><li>parmi les d\u00e9tenus : 24,5 % des personnes se trouvant en prison le 1er janvier 2021 \u00e9taient de nationalit\u00e9 \u00e9trang\u00e8re, l\u00e0 encore&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.justice.gouv.fr\/art_pix\/Trim_2101.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">selon le minist\u00e8re de la Justice<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/ia801806.us.archive.org\/16\/items\/5301084-0558b-6fee-9-d\/5301084_0558b6fee9_d.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Une autre \u00e9tude men\u00e9e<\/a>&nbsp;cette fois par les criminologues du CNRS Sebastian Roch\u00e9 et Monique Dagnaud, et relay\u00e9e \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9poque par Le Monde , aurait \u00e9tabli que les deux tiers au moins des mineurs jug\u00e9s pour des faits de d\u00e9linquance par le tribunal de Grenoble, entre 1985 et 2000, ont au moins un parent n\u00e9 \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tranger : \u00ab66,5 % des mineurs jug\u00e9s ont un p\u00e8re n\u00e9 \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tranger (pour 49,8 % dans un pays du Maghreb), et 60 % ont une m\u00e8re \u00e9galement n\u00e9e hors de France\u00bb, pr\u00e9cise l\u2019article paru dans le quotidien. Sebastian Roch\u00e9 estimait que sa m\u00e9thode d\u2019enqu\u00eate, fond\u00e9e sur une approche \u00e9chantillonn\u00e9e et exploitant l\u2019int\u00e9gralit\u00e9 des renseignements contenus dans les dossiers judiciaires, avait permis pour la premi\u00e8re fois d\u2019objectiver un constat \u00e9vident pour la police et la justice : \u00abLa surrepr\u00e9sentation des jeunes d\u2019origine \u00e9trang\u00e8re dans la d\u00e9linquance n\u2019est un myst\u00e8re pour personne, mais cette donn\u00e9e est peu renseign\u00e9e, et elle n\u2019est jamais d\u00e9battue dans l\u2019espace public\u00bb, d\u00e9taillait-il aupr\u00e8s de la journaliste.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Deux tiers des jeunes d\u00e9linquants grenoblois seraient donc issus de l\u2019immigration, or \u00e0 en croire l\u2019historien fran\u00e7ais de l\u2019immigration G\u00e9rard Noiriel dans Le Creuset fran\u00e7ais (Seuil),&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.la-croix.com\/Actualite\/France\/Un-quart-des-Francais-issus-de-l-immigration-2013-07-30-992479\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">il n\u2019y aurait pas plus du tiers de la population fran\u00e7aise qui aurait des ascendances \u00e9trang\u00e8res<\/a>, m\u00eame lointaines. On en conclut donc, m\u00eame grossi\u00e8rement (du fait, l\u00e0 encore, du tabou fran\u00e7ais sur les statistiques dites \u00abethniques\u00bb) \u00e0 une surrepr\u00e9sentation des personnes issues de l\u2019immigration parmi les jeunes d\u00e9linquants.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Difficile, donc, de nier cette \u00absurd\u00e9linquance\u00bb chez les \u00e9trangers et les Fran\u00e7ais issus de l\u2019<strong>immigration<\/strong>.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Plus nuanc\u00e9, S\u00e9bastien Roch\u00e9 \u00e9voque quant \u00e0 lui aupr\u00e8s du Figaro un faisceau d\u2019explications causales, qui reposent sur les caract\u00e9ristiques pr\u00e9cises du mode de vie des personnes issues de l\u2019immigration en France : \u00abla question de l\u2019explication est complexe, et je ne l\u2019ai pas, \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9poque, explor\u00e9e. On dispose de plus d\u2019\u00e9l\u00e9ments aujourd\u2019hui. J\u2019ai tent\u00e9 de regarder de mani\u00e8re syst\u00e9matique les processus d\u2019int\u00e9gration civique et d\u2019affiliation nationale\u00bb, d\u00e9taille-t-il, \u00e9voquant tour \u00e0 tour la situation g\u00e9ographique, le rapport aux institutions (notamment l\u2019\u00e9cole), la sant\u00e9\u2026 Et soulignant ainsi l\u2019\u00e9chec des politiques d\u2019int\u00e9gration dont cette surd\u00e9linquance immigr\u00e9e est une preuve flagrante.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>D\u2019autres analystes ou professionnels de la d\u00e9viance osent, enfin, franchir le v\u00e9ritable tabou qui entrave la r\u00e9flexion sur la d\u00e9linquance immigr\u00e9e : l\u2019id\u00e9e que des explications culturelles s\u2019ajoutent \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9chec des politiques d\u2019int\u00e9gration.&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lefigaro.fr\/vox\/societe\/maurice-berger-non-la-violence-gratuite-n-est-pas-due-a-la-ghettoisation-20191115\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">C\u2019est le cas par exemple du p\u00e9dopsychiatre Maurice Berger , qui a longtemps dirig\u00e9 un Centre \u00e9ducatif renforc\u00e9 pour accueillir des mineurs violents, et \u00e9voque l\u2019importance des structures familiales dans la construction psychique de l\u2019adolescent, et son rapport \u00e0 la norme.<\/a>&nbsp;Il observe ainsi que de nombreux jeunes accueillis dans son centre ont grandi dans des familles maghr\u00e9bines ayant \u00abun fonctionnement clanique, un corps dont chaque individu est un membre, sous l\u2019autorit\u00e9 d\u2019un patriarche ou d\u2019une matriarche. Si un sujet s\u2019\u00e9loigne g\u00e9ographiquement, ou se met \u00e0 penser diff\u00e9remment, le groupe se vit comme amput\u00e9 d\u2019un membre et va chercher \u00e0 le r\u00e9cup\u00e9rer. Alors que le but d\u2019une famille devrait \u00eatre que les parents cherchent \u00e0 ce que leur enfant se construise une pens\u00e9e personnelle et puisse s\u2019\u00e9loigner d\u2019eux pour se construire un projet personnel, dans une famille clanique le mode de pens\u00e9e est indiff\u00e9renci\u00e9, le but n\u2019est pas qu\u2019un sujet pense par lui-m\u00eame, son identit\u00e9 est d\u2019abord d\u2019appartenir au groupe.\u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lefigaro.fr\/actualite-france\/y-a-t-il-vraiment-un-lien-entre-immigration-et-delinquance-20220727\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Le Figaro \u2013 La Controverse<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>En Lien :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-fdesouche wp-block-embed-fdesouche\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"TD1LqbsBiA\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.fdesouche.com\/2021\/09\/03\/immigration-et-delinquance-le-rapport-choc-en-suede-le-danemark-ou-la-norvege-commencent-a-avoir-les-memes-statistiques-cest-un-constat-qui-se-generalise-en-europe\/\">Immigration et d\u00e9linquance, le rapport choc en Su\u00e8de : \u00ab Le Danemark ou la Norv\u00e8ge commencent \u00e0 avoir les m\u00eames statistiques. 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