{"id":18525,"date":"2022-05-23T05:50:41","date_gmt":"2022-05-23T03:50:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/?p=18525"},"modified":"2022-05-23T05:50:41","modified_gmt":"2022-05-23T03:50:41","slug":"quand-lhistorien-gerard-noiriel-classe-a-gauche-reprochait-a-pap-ndiaye-de-rehabiliter-la-notion-de-race-en-sen-prenant-au-modele-assimilationniste-repub","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2022\/05\/23\/quand-lhistorien-gerard-noiriel-classe-a-gauche-reprochait-a-pap-ndiaye-de-rehabiliter-la-notion-de-race-en-sen-prenant-au-modele-assimilationniste-repub\/","title":{"rendered":"Quand l\u2019historien G\u00e9rard Noiriel, class\u00e9 \u00e0 gauche, reprochait \u00e0 Pap Ndiaye de \u201cr\u00e9habiliter la notion de race\u201d en s\u2019en prenant au \u201cmod\u00e8le assimilationniste r\u00e9publicain\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"800\" height=\"200\" src=\"http:\/\/www.weboomedia.fr\/RutubeStreaming1.htm\" frameborder=\"N\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Articles \u00a0: <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2022\/05\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Mai 2022<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2022\/04\/\">Avr. 2022<\/a>\u00a0\u2013\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2022\/03\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Mar. 2022<\/a>\u00a0\u2013\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2022\/02\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Fev. 2022 \u2013<\/a>Facebook\u00a0:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ORTF-News-107572991571884\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ORTF-News-107572991571884<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.fdesouche.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/68266.HR_.jpg\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"fr\" dir=\"ltr\">Int\u00e9ressante critique (plut\u00f4t virulente) du livre de Pap Ndiaye sur la condition noire (2009) o\u00f9 ce dernier d\u00e9fend la notion de \u00ab\u00a0race\u00a0\u00bb par G\u00e9rard Noiriel, historien de l\u2019immigration. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/wsbQbkb13a\">https:\/\/t.co\/wsbQbkb13a<\/a><\/p>&mdash; Marie-Estelle Pech (@MariestellPech) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/MariestellPech\/status\/1528311008791613441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">May 22, 2022<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Alors que le champ de recherches qu\u2019il propose de d\u00e9velopper aurait pu en faire l\u2019\u00e9conomie, Pap Ndiaye a cru bon de consacrer tout un chapitre pour tenter de r\u00e9habiliter la \u00ab&nbsp;race&nbsp;\u00bb dans le discours public fran\u00e7ais et dans la recherche en sciences sociales. C\u2019est sur cette partie du livre que je vais m\u2019arr\u00eater car l\u2019argumentation de Pap Ndiaye s\u2019oppose en tous points \u00e0 celle que d\u00e9veloppent les deux universitaires am\u00e9ricaines dans leur livre. Leur but \u00e9tant de montrer que la race est une fiction qui aboutit \u00e0 aggraver le racisme en occultant ses v\u00e9ritables causes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Comment Pap Ndiaye r\u00e9habilite la notion de \u00ab&nbsp;race&nbsp;\u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(\u2026) Au terme d\u2019un raisonnement qui aboutit \u00e0 d\u00e9montrer qu\u2019en ce qui concerne les \u00ab&nbsp;Noirs&nbsp;\u00bb en tout cas, la \u00ab&nbsp;race&nbsp;\u00bb existe, Pap Ndiaye en vient logiquement \u00e0 se demander pourquoi les Fran\u00e7ais ont eu tendance jusqu\u2019ici \u00e0 occulter cette r\u00e9alit\u00e9&nbsp;? La r\u00e9ponse tient dans ce qu\u2019il appelle \u00ab&nbsp;le mod\u00e8le r\u00e9publicain&nbsp;\u00bb que les Fran\u00e7ais auraient int\u00e9rioris\u00e9. C\u2019est la critique centrale qu\u2019il adresse aux universitaires fran\u00e7ais. Une fois de plus, le mod\u00e8le am\u00e9ricain sert ici de r\u00e9f\u00e9rence pour d\u00e9plorer un \u00ab&nbsp;retard&nbsp;\u00bb de la recherche fran\u00e7aise. Reprenant \u00e0 son compte les termes pol\u00e9miques de Didier Fassin, Pap Ndiaye va jusqu\u2019\u00e0 parler de \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9ni&nbsp;\u00bb. Etant donn\u00e9 que la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 de la race se situe au niveau des \u00ab&nbsp;imaginaires&nbsp;\u00bb, le fait que les historiens fran\u00e7ais ne l\u2019aient pas vue est la preuve d\u2019un \u00ab&nbsp;aveuglement&nbsp;\u00bb (<em>\u00ab&nbsp;color blindness&nbsp;\u00bb<\/em>), le plus souvent inconscient.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(\u2026) Apr\u00e8s avoir d\u00e9form\u00e9 mon propos pour le rendre compatible avec sa propre d\u00e9marche d\u2019intellectuel d\u00e9fendant la cause d\u2019une \u00ab&nbsp;minorit\u00e9 opprim\u00e9e&nbsp;\u00bb, Pap Ndiaye me reproche de ne pas avoir men\u00e9 un \u00ab&nbsp;combat cons\u00e9quent&nbsp;\u00bb contre les discriminations, car j\u2019en serais rest\u00e9 \u00e0 une \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9claration d\u2019intention&nbsp;\u00bb.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(\u2026) Si je voulais me placer sur le m\u00eame terrain pol\u00e9mique que Pap Ndiaye, je pourrais lui retourner le compliment en affirmant qu\u2019\u00e9tudier le racisme en se focalisant sur une seule communaut\u00e9, c\u2019est le comble de \u00ab&nbsp;l\u2019incons\u00e9quence&nbsp;\u00bb. C\u2019est ce que disent \u00e0 leur mani\u00e8re les s\u0153urs Fields, puisqu\u2019elles affirment que cet exclusivisme racial centr\u00e9 sur les Noirs contribue \u00e0 p\u00e9renniser le racisme aux Etats-Unis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(\u2026) Pap Ndiaye justifie l\u2019importance accord\u00e9e \u00e0 \u00ab&nbsp;l\u2019imaginaire&nbsp;\u00bb dans sa d\u00e9finition de la \u00ab&nbsp;race&nbsp;\u00bb noire en \u00e9crivant&nbsp;: \u00ab&nbsp;Pour paraphraser les propos de Sartre concernant les Juifs, un Noir est un homme que les autres hommes tiennent pour noir&nbsp;\u00bb (p. 57). Mais plus loin, il reproche \u00e0 ceux qui voudrait \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9racialiser&nbsp;\u00bb la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 fran\u00e7aise de faire des Noirs \u00ab&nbsp;un pur imaginaire, une repr\u00e9sentation dans les regards, reproduisant ainsi l\u2019erreur de Sartre qui fait du juif une invention des antis\u00e9mites&nbsp;\u00bb.&nbsp;<strong>Si l\u2019on comprend bien, la \u00ab&nbsp;race&nbsp;\u00bb noire est une construction imaginaire, mais en m\u00eame temps elle n\u2019est pas imaginaire.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le m\u00eame genre de contradiction appara\u00eet quand on examine les donn\u00e9es statistiques (publi\u00e9es en annexe) qu\u2019il mobilise pour d\u00e9finir la \u00ab&nbsp;race&nbsp;\u00bb noire \u00e0 partir du crit\u00e8re de la \u00ab&nbsp;discrimination raciale&nbsp;\u00bb. Un tiers des personnes \u00ab&nbsp;se d\u00e9clarant noires&nbsp;\u00bb affirment en effet n\u2019avoir jamais subi de \u00ab&nbsp;discriminations raciales&nbsp;\u00bb et la proportion atteint 42% pour la population se d\u00e9clarant \u00ab&nbsp;m\u00e9tis issus de noirs&nbsp;\u00bb. Pap Ndiaye reconna\u00eet par ailleurs qu\u2019une partie des gens qui appartiennent selon lui \u00e0 la \u00ab&nbsp;race&nbsp;\u00bb noire ne veulent pas \u00eatre d\u00e9finis comme tels, surtout dans la population antillaise. Mais alors comment peut-on construire une cat\u00e9gorie \u00e0 partir d\u2019un crit\u00e8re qu\u2019on ne retrouve pas chez plus du tiers des personnes concern\u00e9es&nbsp;?&nbsp;<strong>Pap Ndiaye r\u00e9pond en affirmant que les \u00ab&nbsp;Noirs&nbsp;\u00bb qui ne veulent pas \u00eatre identifi\u00e9s ainsi ou qui nient avoir subi des \u00ab&nbsp;discriminations raciales&nbsp;\u00bb, sont victimes du \u00ab&nbsp;mod\u00e8le assimilationniste r\u00e9publicain&nbsp;\u00bb.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ce qui m\u2019a frapp\u00e9 dans ce raisonnement, c\u2019est de retrouver 50 ans plus tard, un mode de raisonnement en tous points identique \u00e0 celui des intellectuels marxistes d\u2019autrefois qui d\u00e9finissaient le prol\u00e9tariat par \u00ab&nbsp;la conscience de classe&nbsp;\u00bb. A leurs yeux, les ouvriers qui n\u2019affichaient pas publiquement cette facette de leur identit\u00e9 \u00e9tait victimes d\u2019une \u00ab&nbsp;ali\u00e9nation&nbsp;\u00bb, imputable \u00e0 l\u2019id\u00e9ologie bourgeoise ou \u00e0 la religion (\u00ab&nbsp;l\u2019opium du peuple&nbsp;\u00bb).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(\u2026) Pap Ndiaye refuse de prendre vraiment en consid\u00e9ration le fait que nos soci\u00e9t\u00e9s sont organis\u00e9es sur une base nationale. L\u00e0 encore, son livre tranche avec celui des s\u0153urs Fields. La th\u00e8se du \u00ab&nbsp;retard&nbsp;\u00bb ou de \u00ab&nbsp;l\u2019aveuglement&nbsp;\u00bb de la recherche fran\u00e7aise ne peut se justifier qu\u2019en partant du postulat que ce qui est vrai aux Etats-Unis vaut \u00e9galement pour la France.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/noiriel.wordpress.com\/2022\/02\/03\/race-sorcellerie-racisme-reflexions-sur-un-livre-recent\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">(\u2026)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/noiriel.wordpress.com\/2022\/02\/03\/race-sorcellerie-racisme-reflexions-sur-un-livre-recent\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">\u00ab\u00a0Race\u00a0\u00bb, sorcellerie, racisme. R\u00e9flexions sur un livre\u00a0r\u00e9cent. 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