{"id":15103,"date":"2022-01-04T05:38:53","date_gmt":"2022-01-04T04:38:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/?p=15103"},"modified":"2022-01-04T05:38:53","modified_gmt":"2022-01-04T04:38:53","slug":"erreurs-flagrantes-contradictions-manipulation-de-lopinion-le-dossier-tres-pro-immigration-de-challenges-passe-au-crible","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2022\/01\/04\/erreurs-flagrantes-contradictions-manipulation-de-lopinion-le-dossier-tres-pro-immigration-de-challenges-passe-au-crible\/","title":{"rendered":"\u00ab Erreurs flagrantes \u00bb, \u00ab contradictions \u00bb, \u00ab manipulation de l\u2019opinion \u00bb\u2026, le dossier tr\u00e8s pro-immigration de Challenges pass\u00e9 au crible"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"800\" height=\"200\" src=\"http:\/\/www.weboomedia.fr\/RutubeStreaming1.htm\" frameborder=\"N\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Articles &nbsp;:&nbsp; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2022\/01\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Jan. 2022<\/a> &#8211; &nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2021\/12\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Dec. 2021<\/a> &#8211;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2021\/11\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Nov. 2021<\/a> &#8211;&nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2021\/10\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Oct. 2021<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2021\/09\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Sep. 2021<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Facebook\u00a0:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ORTF-News-107572991571884\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ORTF-News-107572991571884<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.fdesouche.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/01\/Challenges-000715S.jpg\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dans son \u00e9dition n\u00b0&nbsp;715 du 21 octobre 2021, l\u2019hebdomadaire&nbsp;<em>Challenges<\/em>&nbsp;a consacr\u00e9 sa Une et un dossier au sujet de l\u2019immigration : \u00ab Derri\u00e8re les fantasmes\u2026 IMMIGRATION Co\u00fbts et b\u00e9n\u00e9fices \u00bb. Le titre est prometteur, et le lecteur s\u2019attend \u00e0 une s\u00e9rie d\u2019articles fouill\u00e9s, sign\u00e9s par des sp\u00e9cialistes de la question, et qui vont au-del\u00e0 des id\u00e9es pr\u00e9con\u00e7ues concernant un ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne qui inqui\u00e8te ou qui r\u00e9jouit, mais qui ne laisse aucun Fran\u00e7ais indiff\u00e9rent \u00e0 six mois des \u00e9lections pr\u00e9sidentielles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Or ce dossier est h\u00e9las loin d\u2019honorer cette promesse.&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-1-des-erreurs-flagrantes\">1. Des erreurs flagrantes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le dossier de&nbsp;<em>Challenges<\/em>&nbsp;pr\u00e9sente deux erreurs grossi\u00e8res, qui auraient pu \u00eatre facilement v\u00e9rifi\u00e9es et corrig\u00e9es, ce qui t\u00e9moigne d\u2019un certain amateurisme de l\u2019\u00e9quipe de r\u00e9daction sur ce sujet de l\u2019immigration en France.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]&nbsp;<\/a>En premier lieu, est mentionn\u00e9e, \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9gard des immigr\u00e9s en France, \u00ab&nbsp;l\u2019interdiction d\u2019exercer dans les cinq millions de postes li\u00e9s \u00e0 la fonction publique&nbsp;\u00bb. Cette affirmation est fausse \u00e0 plusieurs titres. Rappelons tout d\u2019abord que les emplois de fonctionnaires titulaires sont accessibles aux personnes de nationalit\u00e9 fran\u00e7aise ou europ\u00e9enne. Les immigr\u00e9s europ\u00e9ens, et ceux qui obtiennent une nationalit\u00e9 europ\u00e9enne, sont donc tout \u00e0 fait \u00e9ligibles \u00e0 ces emplois.&nbsp;<em>Challenges<\/em>&nbsp;confond ici la notion d\u2019immigr\u00e9 et celle d\u2019\u00e9tranger. Surtout, cette affirmation n\u00e9glige que plus d\u2019un million des 5,7 millions d\u2019emplois de la fonction publique sont de nature contractuelle (20%)<sup><a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/#post-2331-footnote-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[1]<\/a><\/sup>. Or ces emplois sont ouverts \u00e0 tous les \u00e9trangers, y compris extra-europ\u00e9ens<sup><a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/#post-2331-footnote-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[2]<\/a><\/sup>.&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">En second lieu,&nbsp;<em>Challenges&nbsp;<\/em>pr\u00e9tend que les aides publiques dont b\u00e9n\u00e9ficient les demandeurs d\u2019asile en France seraient plus faibles que dans d\u2019autres pays europ\u00e9ens dont l\u2019Allemagne. Le chiffre de 204&nbsp;\u20ac mensuels de l\u2019allocation de demandeur d\u2019asile est compar\u00e9 \u00e0 un chiffre pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 comme \u00e9quivalent de 354&nbsp;\u20ac en Allemagne. Or ce chiffre de 204 euros ne concerne que les demandeurs d\u2019asile qui b\u00e9n\u00e9ficient d\u2019un logement gratuit en France, alors que le chiffre de 354&nbsp;\u20ac concerne \u00e0 l\u2019inverse les demandeurs d\u2019asile sans logement en Allemagne. La France est en r\u00e9alit\u00e9 plus g\u00e9n\u00e9reuse que l\u2019Allemagne envers les demandeurs d\u2019asile&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">2. Un dossier \u00e0 charge et partisan<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">3. De nombreuses contradictions internes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ce qui frappe le plus, dans le dossier de&nbsp;<em>Challenges<\/em>&nbsp;relatif aux co\u00fbts et b\u00e9n\u00e9fices de l\u2019immigration, c\u2019est la contradiction \u00e9vidente, et presque syst\u00e9matique, entre le discours de la r\u00e9daction, qui ne semble voir que des b\u00e9n\u00e9fices, et les \u00e9tudes pr\u00e9sent\u00e9es, qui ne concluent que par des co\u00fbts.&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">4. Un dossier soutenu par des \u00e9tudes mal comprises et dont ni la pertinence ni les limites ne sont \u00e9valu\u00e9es<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">5. Plusieurs techniques de manipulation de l\u2019opinion<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a>Premi\u00e8re technique&nbsp;: la diversion&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Deuxi\u00e8me technique&nbsp;: raisonner \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9chelle la plus large possible afin de diluer les dynamiques observ\u00e9es&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Troisi\u00e8me technique&nbsp;: pr\u00e9senter comme consensuelles des positions qui ne le sont pas&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Quatri\u00e8me technique&nbsp;: minimiser la gravit\u00e9 des ph\u00e9nom\u00e8nes&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Cinqui\u00e8me technique&nbsp;: comparer ce qui n\u2019est pas comparable&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sixi\u00e8me technique&nbsp;: pr\u00e9senter des ph\u00e9nom\u00e8nes comme in\u00e9luctables ou sans alternative&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Septi\u00e8me et derni\u00e8re technique&nbsp;: la culpabilisation, ou accuser la population d\u2019accueil d\u2019\u00eatre responsable des difficult\u00e9s d\u2019int\u00e9gration des immigr\u00e9s&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">[\u2026]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Conclusion<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">L\u2019article de&nbsp;<em>Challenges&nbsp;<\/em>se conclut sur un \u00e9ditorial d\u2019Andr\u00e9 Comte-Sponville, qui consiste essentiellement en une accumulation de banalit\u00e9s sur l\u2019immigration, de contre-v\u00e9rit\u00e9s et d\u2019id\u00e9es re\u00e7ues dont l\u2019inconsistance laisse songeur : \u00ab l\u2019immigration [\u2026] ne pourrait aboutir qu\u2019\u00e0 un grand m\u00e9lange, ce qui est tout autre chose qu\u2019un grand remplacement \u00bb ; \u00ab le grand m\u00e9lange est aussi ancien que la France \u00bb ; \u00ab le m\u00e9lange vaut mieux que la consanguinit\u00e9 \u00bb. Avant de conclure par une lapalissade magistrale et assum\u00e9e : \u00ab L\u2019immigration z\u00e9ro ? Ce n\u2019est pas l\u2019int\u00e9r\u00eat de la France. Une immigration absolument libre ? Ce n\u2019est pas l\u2019int\u00e9r\u00eat des Fran\u00e7ais. Il faut donc une immigration contr\u00f4l\u00e9e \u00bb. Quand on n\u2019a rien \u00e0 dire, il faut savoir se taire\u2026 Face \u00e0 un tel d\u00e9calage vis-\u00e0-vis des enjeux actuels de l\u2019immigration, on ne peut que comprendre le succ\u00e8s d\u2019une certaine bravade : \u00ab Ok boomer \u00bb.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Reste que ce dossier relatif aux co\u00fbts et b\u00e9n\u00e9fices de l\u2019immigration r\u00e9v\u00e8le la grande difficult\u00e9 dans laquelle se trouvent les journalistes de&nbsp;<em>Challenges<\/em>&nbsp;\u00e0 percevoir les enjeux de ce ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne en France, \u00e0 comprendre les \u00e9tudes cit\u00e9es ou simplement \u00e0 conna\u00eetre le fonctionnement de base de certains transferts \u2013 comme l\u2019allocation de demandeur d\u2019asile. On y observe une contradiction manifeste entre un discours tr\u00e8s favorable \u00e0 l\u2019immigration et la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 beaucoup plus pessimiste des donn\u00e9es pr\u00e9sent\u00e9es. Plus g\u00e9n\u00e9ralement, il s\u2019agit d\u2019un exemple \u00e9difiant du d\u00e9calage qui existe entre les craintes \u2013 souvent fond\u00e9es \u2013 des Fran\u00e7ais vis-\u00e0-vis de l\u2019immigration, et la vision \u2013 g\u00e9n\u00e9ralement id\u00e9alis\u00e9e \u2013 qu\u2019en donnent les m\u00e9dias.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">L\u2019int\u00e9gralit\u00e9 disponible gratuitement sur l\u2019<a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/challenges-et-limmigration-derriere-les-fantasmes-encore-des-fantasmes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Observatoire de l\u2019immigration et de la d\u00e9mographie<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.ph\/hjbq7\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Archive<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/observatoire-immigration.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Commentaire-dossier-Challenges.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Lien PDF<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Lu dans FDSouche<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"800\" height=\"200\" src=\"http:\/\/www.weboomedia.fr\/RutubeStreaming1.htm\" frameborder=\"N\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/figure>\n<!--\nADDFREESTATS.COM AUTOCODE V4.0 -->\n<script type=\"text\/javascript\">\n<!--\nvar AFS_Account=\"00636949\";\nvar AFS_Tracker=\"auto\";\nvar AFS_Server=\"www6\";\nvar AFS_Page=\"DetectName\";\nvar AFS_Url=\"DetectUrl\";\n\/\/ -->\n<\/script>\n<script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"http:\/\/www6.addfreestats.com\/cgi-bin\/afstrack.cgi?usr=00636949\">\n<\/script>\n<noscript>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.addfreestats.com\">\n<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www6.addfreestats.com\/cgi-bin\/connect.cgi?usr=00636949Pauto\" border=\"0\" alt=\"AddFreeStats.com Free Web Stats!\">Web Stats<\/a>\n<\/noscript>\n\n<a href=\"http:\/\/djmusic.fr\">\n<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/djmusicparis.free.fr\/images\/Djmuisc_Jamendo.jpg\" border=\"0\" alt=\"AddFreeStats.com Free Web Stats!\"> Ecoutez DJMusic.fr<\/a>\n\n<!-- ENDADDFREESTATS.COM AUTOCODE V4.0  \u2192-->\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Articles &nbsp;:&nbsp; Jan. 2022 &#8211; &nbsp;&nbsp;Dec. 2021 &#8211;&nbsp;&nbsp; Nov. 2021 &#8211;&nbsp; &nbsp;Oct. 2021 &#8211; Sep. 2021 Facebook\u00a0:\u00a0https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ORTF-News-107572991571884 Dans son \u00e9dition n\u00b0&nbsp;715 du 21 octobre 2021, l\u2019hebdomadaire&nbsp;Challenges&nbsp;a consacr\u00e9 sa Une et un dossier au sujet de l\u2019immigration : \u00ab Derri\u00e8re les fantasmes\u2026 IMMIGRATION Co\u00fbts et b\u00e9n\u00e9fices \u00bb. 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