{"id":14370,"date":"2021-12-09T08:18:27","date_gmt":"2021-12-09T07:18:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/?p=14370"},"modified":"2021-12-09T08:18:27","modified_gmt":"2021-12-09T07:18:27","slug":"discussion-biden-poutine-sur-lavenir-de-lukraine-le-russie-pourrait-elle-envahir-lukraine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/webtube.fr\/index.php\/2021\/12\/09\/discussion-biden-poutine-sur-lavenir-de-lukraine-le-russie-pourrait-elle-envahir-lukraine\/","title":{"rendered":"Discussion Biden Poutine sur l&rsquo;avenir de l&rsquo;Ukraine&#8230;Le Russie pourrait-elle envahir l&rsquo;Ukraine ?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"800\" height=\"200\" src=\"http:\/\/www.weboomedia.fr\/RutubeStreaming1.htm\" frameborder=\"N\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Articles&nbsp;: <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2021\/12\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Dec. 2021<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2021\/11\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Nov. 2021<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2021\/10\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Oct. 2021<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2021\/09\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Sept 2021<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/rutube.fr\/2021\/08\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Aout 2021<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Facebook : <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ORTF-News-107572991571884\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ORTF-News-107572991571884<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/foreignpolicy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Ukraine-Russia-buildup-map-Hybrid_war.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sentant que l\u2019heure \u00e9tait favorable avec la d\u00e9confiture occidentale entra\u00een\u00e9e par le Great Reset, la Russie a d\u00e9cid\u00e9 de tracer une ligne rouge au plan s\u00e9curitaire en interdisant l\u2019OTAN d\u2019acc\u00e9der \u00e0 l\u2019Ukraine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pour cela, Poutine a mass\u00e9 les troupes russes autour de l\u2019Ukraine, pr\u00eates \u00e0 envahir et \u00e0 annexer&nbsp;<em>de facto<\/em>&nbsp;la moiti\u00e9 du pays, sinon plus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Les deux options offertes \u00e0 Washington et \u00e0 l\u2019OTAN sont celles-ci : soit les Etats-Unis admettent que l\u2019Ukraine reste militairement neutre et renoncent officiellement \u00e0 toute int\u00e9gration de celle-ci dans leur dispositif militaire (adh\u00e9sion \u00e0 l\u2019OTAN), soit la Russie d\u00e9truira l\u2019\u00e9tat ukrainien et le partitionnera sur une base ethno-linguistique et religieuse.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La t\u00e9l\u00e9vision d\u2019\u00e9tat russe a diffus\u00e9 la carte de l\u2019Ukraine une fois d\u00e9mantel\u00e9e.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La Russie s\u00e9parerait l\u2019Ukraine en trois entit\u00e9s diff\u00e9rentes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La premi\u00e8re entit\u00e9 repr\u00e9sentant environ 40% du territoire ukrainien actuel \u2013 la c\u00f4te m\u00e9ridionale et les r\u00e9gions orientales parlant russe \u2013 serait purement et simplement annex\u00e9e. Le but \u00e9tant pour la Russie de contr\u00f4ler la quasi totalit\u00e9 de la Mer Noire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La seconde entit\u00e9 repr\u00e9sentant environ 40% du territoire ukrainien actuel serait un \u00e9tat fantoche pro-russe autour de Kiev, sans acc\u00e8s \u00e0 la mer et encercl\u00e9e au sud, \u00e0 l\u2019est et \u00e0 l\u2019ouest par la Russie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La troisi\u00e8me entit\u00e9 repr\u00e9sentant environ 20% du territoire ukrainien actuel serait l\u2019Ukraine nationaliste organis\u00e9e autour de Lviv, libre de toute pr\u00e9sence russe, et qui serait&nbsp;<em>de facto<\/em>&nbsp;un protectorat polonais. Tous les nationalistes ukrainiens y seraient expuls\u00e9s de force par le FSB.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/democratie-participative.club\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/DoNcduHXsAEXDjO.jpg\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">En somme, la Russie s\u2019emparerait de 80% de l\u2019Ukraine actuelle, directement ou indirectement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">C\u2019est le sc\u00e9nario en cas de refus des Am\u00e9ricains de transformer l\u2019Ukraine en base avanc\u00e9e de l\u2019OTAN.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Poutine sait que Washington ne peut pas accepter le principe de zones d\u2019influence mutuellement n\u00e9goci\u00e9es. Cela signifierait aux yeux du monde entier que l\u2019expansionnisme jud\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocratique am\u00e9ricain a \u00e9t\u00e9 stopp\u00e9 et que plus aucun \u00e9tat ne pourrait le rejoindre en raison des v\u00e9tos russe et chinois.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La raison m\u00eame du Great Reset est de constituer un gouvernement global, ce qui suppose la conqu\u00eate de la Russie et de la Chine, pas une solution n\u00e9goci\u00e9e de bon voisinage.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sur la question de l\u2019OTAN, Biden a indiqu\u00e9 que les USA refusaient d\u2019interdire par principe une adh\u00e9sion de l\u2019Ukraine. Il a \u00e9galement dit \u00e0 Poutine qu\u2019il le prenait au mot et qu\u2019il attendait de voir cette fameuse invasion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"fr\" dir=\"ltr\">La Russie va-t-elle envahir l&#39;est de l&#39;Ukraine? Joe Biden menace Vladimir Poutine de lourdes sanctions.<br><br>Reportage de notre correspondante <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tamaralt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@tamaralt<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/TJ22h?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#TJ22h<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/diplomatie?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#diplomatie<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/FxtlwsOD42\">https:\/\/t.co\/FxtlwsOD42<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/38VMf5hdxO\">pic.twitter.com\/38VMf5hdxO<\/a><\/p>&mdash; C\u00e9line Galipeau (@CGalipeauTJ) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/CGalipeauTJ\/status\/1468405692302127104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">December 8, 2021<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le Kremlin a toutefois d\u00e9clar\u00e9 que Biden avait accept\u00e9 d\u2019engager des n\u00e9gociations sur l\u2019arr\u00eat de l\u2019expansion de l\u2019OTAN \u00e0 l\u2019Est.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>Voici donc le compte-rendu du Kremlin. Je ne sais pas si la Maison Blanche veut nier l\u2019affirmation selon laquelle les dirigeants ont accept\u00e9 d\u2019entamer des consultations substantielles sur ces questions. A moins que cela ne se soit r\u00e9ellement produit<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">So this is the Kremlin readout. I don\u2019t know if the WH wants to deny the claim that the leaders agreed to enter into substantive consultations on these issues. Unless it actually happened <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/vDwVMP6Nxi\">pic.twitter.com\/vDwVMP6Nxi<\/a><\/p>&mdash; Bruno Ma\u00e7\u00e3es (@MacaesBruno) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/MacaesBruno\/status\/1468323536142061578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">December 7, 2021<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ensuite, la Maison Blanche a ni\u00e9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>M. Biden n\u2019a fait aucun engagement ni aucune concession \u00e0 M. Poutine au sujet de l\u2019OTAN, selon M. Sullivan.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Biden made no commitments or concessions to Putin about NATO, Sullivan says<\/p>&mdash; Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NatashaBertrand\/status\/1468312565071724562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">December 7, 2021<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">C\u2019est donc tr\u00e8s confus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Soit que Biden a accept\u00e9 de n\u00e9gocier sur le sujet, mais ne veut pas le dire en public pour ne pas para\u00eetre faible. Soit que Biden l\u2019a dit, mais que ses \u00e9quipes ont op\u00e9r\u00e9 un revirement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Cette confusion est peut-\u00eatre sciemment entretenue par les Am\u00e9ricains \u2013 ou les Russes \u2013 pour gagner du temps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le calcul am\u00e9ricain est que les Russes ne feront rien en raison des mesures \u00e9conomiques qui doivent \u00eatre adopt\u00e9es en repr\u00e9sailles. Il semble que la principale sanction consisterait \u00e0 d\u00e9brancher la Russie du syst\u00e8me bancaire mondial en les suspendant du syst\u00e8me SWIFT.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le foutoir en Bi\u00e9lorussie a vraisemblablement convaincu Poutine de passer \u00e0 l\u2019action. Les erreurs de Loukachenko ont men\u00e9 le pays au bord de l\u2019effondrement, ce qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 stopp\u00e9 de justesse par l\u2019action des Russes. La situation reste pr\u00e9caire et Poutine sait que tant que l\u2019OTAN entretient l\u2019espoir d\u2019une adh\u00e9sion de l\u2019Ukraine, la Bi\u00e9lorussie sera instable. Ce qui signifie que Moscou est directement menac\u00e9e.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pour un \u00e9tat, le co\u00fbt \u00e9conomique des sanctions a peu d\u2019importance quand il s\u2019agit d\u2019une question de vie ou de mort.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Merci \u00e0 D.P.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"800\" height=\"200\" src=\"http:\/\/www.weboomedia.fr\/RutubeStreaming1.htm\" frameborder=\"N\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/figure>\n<!-- ADDFREESTATS.COM AUTOCODE V4.0 -->\n<script type=\"text\/javascript\">\n<!--\nvar AFS_Account=\"00636949\";\nvar AFS_Tracker=\"auto\";\nvar AFS_Server=\"www6\";\nvar AFS_Page=\"DetectName\";\nvar AFS_Url=\"DetectUrl\";\n\/\/ -->\n<\/script>\n<script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"http:\/\/www6.addfreestats.com\/cgi-bin\/afstrack.cgi?usr=00636949\">\n<\/script>\n<noscript>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.addfreestats.com\">\n<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www6.addfreestats.com\/cgi-bin\/connect.cgi?usr=00636949Pauto\" border=\"0\" alt=\"AddFreeStats.com Free Web Stats!\">Web Stats<\/a>\n<\/noscript>\n\n<!-- ENDADDFREESTATS.COM AUTOCODE V4.0  \u2192-->\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Articles&nbsp;: Dec. 2021 &#8211; Nov. 2021 &#8211; Oct. 2021 &#8211; Sept 2021 &#8211; Aout 2021 Facebook : https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ORTF-News-107572991571884 Sentant que l\u2019heure \u00e9tait favorable avec la d\u00e9confiture occidentale entra\u00een\u00e9e par le Great Reset, la Russie a d\u00e9cid\u00e9 de tracer une ligne rouge au plan s\u00e9curitaire en interdisant l\u2019OTAN d\u2019acc\u00e9der \u00e0 l\u2019Ukraine. 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